TLDR: Thank You Again, Good Recruiting Firms.

I've thought about it for a few days. And I really don't care any more if I burn bridges with sub-par recruiting firms like CyberCoders. I have no doubt that other fly-by-night recruiting firms will keep shotgunning jobs to me, but hopefully now CyberCoders will quit spamming me with extremely irrelevant positions. <fingersCrossed> <doubtItWillDoAnyGood>

A few days ago, I had some problems with the hosting of my old rant against bad recruiting firms. I didn't want to lose it, so I reposted it here. I find it extremely sad that that rant seems more relevant today than it was a few years ago when I originally wrote it. Since it was first written, I've worked with a few more Placement Firms, and had good luck with all of those; except the fool-me-more-than-once applications with CyberCoders. I should have read some of their reviews before I ever started trying to talk to them.

Over the last few years, I've received numerous emails from various types of recruiters. I'm sure anyone in IT has received their fair share of them, too. Most of them were relevant to what I do and who I am. I received recruitment emails wanting me to be a C# Lead Developer for Company X. I have very little C# experience and wouldn't be a good Lead right now, but I can definitely learn to be that Lead eventually. I can forgive messages like that. What I can't forgive are the requests to be a Nurse or a Hospital Manager or a Gas Technician at a Landfill.

The latest spam recruitment post came from CyberCoders, a recruiter that has strung me along in the past. My patience with them was already wearing a bit thin, but a post wanting me for an Electrical Engineer position was just a bit much. I have heard that, many times, the first recruiter to submit a candidate to a company will receive part of the placement fee, even if their candidate isn't chosen. That sort of business model doesn't make sense to me, but I can totally see it as a way for some of these shady companies to get paid for their poor behavior.

After thinking about it for a few days, I responded to the email. My response wasn't polite, my frustration was pretty evident, and I'm fairly certain that "Dee" won't actually read it. But, after getting it off my chest, I feel better.

I've attached my reply below for your entertainment. And if you are one of those shady recruiting firms, please keep in mind that I'm probably not the only candidate that thinks this way.

Shawn

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sent to dee.nguyen@mail.cybercoders.com
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Dee (if there actually is a "Dee Nguyen" at CyberCoders),

I debated whether or not your email was even worth a response. And I doubt you'll read mine. This is really more of an express-my-frustration email than a reflection of any hope that my words will make you see the damage this shotgun approach to "recruiting" does to your industry. After numerous messages like this, I decided that I'm frankly quite annoyed with the recruiting keyword-search algorithms that companies like yours use to scan every resume you can find. I'm really not sure what in the world about my resume led you to believe that I was an Electrical Engineer, other than the fact that my resume does, in fact, list Software "ENGINEER" as a previous job title, and I guess computers do depend on "ELECTRICITY". So I'm sure the very loose algorithms flagged me. Regardless, even looking at the TITLE of my resume should have been a pretty massive clue that I am not even remotely related to the field of electrical engineering, and a very quick secondary perusal would just as quickly show that I do not have anywhere close to 5 years in the field nor even a Professional Engineer license. My experience with Lighting System Design can be summed up with my experience of realizing my hallway is darker than normal and screwing a new light bulb into the socket. I will grant you that I actually have some experience in the "Healthcare Industry" and some very old basic work with AutoCAD (which isn't even on my resume), but I think we may be stretching here.

I'm fed up with the "What's In It For Me" "opportunities" that places like CyberCoders offer to me, especially when they aren't even remotely related to anything I've done in the last couple of decades. For SOFTWARE Engineer or Developer or whatever-you-want-to-call-it positions, I actually have previously applied through CyberCoders. Four times (since I apparently have more patience than I realized). Of those four, TWO have resulted in NOT ONE SINGLE CONTACT AFTERWARDS. Of the remaining two, I was pretty much strung along with "The client isn't quite ready to interview for this position" on one of those. The other just kinda went dark after feeding me the same line for a couple of weeks

I learned my lesson. And now I agree with some of the other reviews of CyberCoders. You may actually have a real position, but I'm not really sure that CyberCoders is much more than a resume harvester.

I truly hate calling you out by name; especially since I do see a value in legitimate, honest recruiting firms. Companies like Robert Half, Vaco, TEKSystems and a few of the smaller ones actually TALK TO YOU and READ YOUR RESUME before trying to place you. But I feel that I can do a service to other potential IT employees or employers who might think that CyberCoders is one of those legitimate groups. Again, I'm not against IT people using a recruiter. I've had very good luck with legitimate recruiters. I'm against IT people wasting time with "recruiters" who care more about taking care of themselves than with either of their actual clients' needs; you know, the needs of THE COMPANIES NEEDING EMPLOYEES AND THOSE POTENTIAL EMPLOYEES. It will take a lot of convincing for me to do anything more than suggest a Total Ignore on anything involving working with your company. CyberCoders has demonstrated multiple time that they are simply not worth wasting my time on. And sadly, your reviews seem to indicate that I'm not the only one with this experience.

I doubt if you've read this far, but if you have, then Good Day and Good Luck finding an Engineer that is in the Electrical Field.

And before I forget, will the Unsubscribe link actually remove me from your mailing list, or will I just receive more recruiting spam about being a Nursing Manager for some hospital?

Shawn

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ORIGINAL EMAIL:

On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Dee Nguyen <dee.nguyen@mail.cybercoders.com> wrote:
Hey Shawn,
I'm working on a really impactful Senior Electrical Engineer with PE role in Nashville, TN with a lot of growth opportunity for someone with your skills.
You can view the full job description below. Please apply online or send me your resume if you're open to learning more about the position.
Thanks,
Dee

DEE NGUYEN
Executive Recruiter
Phone: 9498255579
View my open jobs
         

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If you are a Senior Electrical Engineer with experience, please read on!

Top Reasons to Work with Us
- HUGE Room for Growth
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What You Will Be Doing

Our Electrical Engineers work closely with the directors, managers, and engineering staff to ensure clients’ needs and expectations are exceeded and met in a timely fashion.

What You Need for this Position

More Than 5 Years of experience and knowledge of:
- Professional Engineer (PE) License
- Lighting System Design
- Healthcare Industry
- Power Distribution
- AutoCAD & Revit

Nice to have:
- High voltage low voltage and fire alarm exp

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Saving My "Recruiters" Rant

It's already June of 2018, and I still haven't made but one other post this year. I really had hoped to be a better Blogger. Sorry to my legions of listeners out in the world. 

Now that I've gotten my Pitty Party out of the way, I want to save something here so that I don't lose it again. I've recently received another recruit email totally unrelated to anything I've ever done, and I am debating on whether I should respond to this pathetic, resume-keyword-scraping "recruiter". Since I've ranted in the past about "recruiters" like this, I went looking for my old post and discovered that GoDaddy had moved their Lazy-Person's Page (or InstantPage). I thought I'd lost my rant, but was able to recover it. Since it's something near and dear to my heart (and I've actually been complemented on it by one of the legitimate recruiters I've spoken of), I figured I needed to re-post it somewhere that is less likely to disappear. So without further ado......


GoDaddy InstantPage for CodeFuMonkey.com, Advice To Recruiters.

NOTE: July 2015 - I was going to remove this, but the last several months have shown that this paragraph is still just as relevant now as it was when I first wrote it. The number of recruiters that I have worked with has increased, but so have the number of purely BAD recruiters who don't even take the time to bother figuring out who I am before they shotgun-approach me for some irrelevant position. You people are doing a HUGE disservice to your profession. Do your shady practices really work? Get with the program. Please.

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I like recruiters. I've had mostly good experiences working with them. All of my contract gigs were through a recruiter. My last two permanent positions were due to recruiter placement. I tell you this because I don't want you to think I have a bad opinion of recruiters. I don't. But I am annoyed with some of you right now. So I have some advice for recruiters from an IT professional.  

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE actually take some time to read my resume before sending me an email telling me what a great candidate I am for a Senior-Level Developer position in a language that I have done a single project in many years ago. Or even worse, that I'm the Director of Nursing that you've been looking for, as a recent recruiter messaged me. 

I know that a lot of these emails are automated. I know a lot of the candidate flagging is done by keyword scanning. You may think this saves you time, but more often than not, it doesn't. What it does do very effectively is alienate you. It makes me not want to work with you. If you can't take the time to understand what it is that I do or have done, how can you be a good advocate for me? You can't. 

I don't mind if you flag my resume through a keyword search. I understand why you have to do that. I'm sure that there are thousands upon thousands of resumes that you hunt through every day. It would be impractical to manually look at them all for even a single position. But when you do get a hit on my resume, take a minute to read it before you send me a form letter about how perfect I am for the position you're trying to fill. Trust me when I say that, for something like this, a targeted approach is much more valuable than a shotgun approach. Not only will you be more likely to get a response, but you'll be working to better the reputation of recruiters everywhere.  

IT people can be finicky. We have long memories and, more importantly, we talk to each other. It behooves you to make a good impression on us. And it can really hurt if you become known as someone who spams us for unrelated jobs.  

And to those recruiters out there who have been doing a good job for us, who have taken the time to find out who we are and what we do before trying to place us, who take the time to check in with us every now and then to see how we're doing, I offer a sincere thank you.  

Shawn